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David Morton
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Posted - 19 September 2002 :  11:32:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am using Backup Magic Version 1.5.2 on a Windows XP system.

Although my backup file executes as it should when tested manually by double clicking on the 'bms' file in Windows Explorer it will not run when executed using 'Scheduled Tasks' in Windows XP (nothing happens - no error message, in fact no reaction at all!!). However,it will run on a Windows 98 system

I have followed the procedure as outlined in the 'Using Task Scheduler to run BM automatically' - as posted in the forum.

The 'Run' line that I used is as follows: "E:\Backup Magic\BMagic.exe" "F:\Backup Magic\Newsletter Set.bms".

I also attempted to run the program using the Console Module and the following command line in the scheduler: E:\BACKUP~1\bmagicc.exe "F:\Backup Magic\Newsletter Set.bms".

Still no luck!!

However, I was able to run the above version of the backup using 'Tools\Run Backup Set Using Console Module'.

Can anyone offer an explanation for my failure to run the program using the scheduler ... I tested the above programs on another Windows XP system ... also failed to operate.

Ahto/Moon Software
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Estonia
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Posted - 19 September 2002 :  13:39:35  Show Profile  Visit Ahto/Moon Software's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Try running the same command from Start Menu | Run:

"E:\Backup Magic\BMagic.exe" "F:\Backup Magic\Newsletter Set.bms".

If it works and either your E or F drive are network drives, then try using UNC path names in scheduled tasks, like

\\computer1\share\bmagic.exe \\computer1\share2\backupset.bms

The drives may not have mapped at system level account where the program is executed by default.

Also, you can run task that is listed in scheduled tasks manually. Does that work? If not you have something still wrong there.


Ahto
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David Morton
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Posted - 19 September 2002 :  14:39:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The command line - "E:\Backup Magic\BMagic.exe" "F:\Backup Magic\Newsletter Set.bms" does work using 'Start \ Run'.

My computer is part of a small local home network but neither Drive 'E' nor Drive 'F' are shared - not network drives.

Also, I cannot run the backup program manually from the 'Scheduled Tasks' interface.

Still in frustration city!!
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Ahto/Moon Software
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Estonia
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Posted - 19 September 2002 :  17:11:08  Show Profile  Visit Ahto/Moon Software's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:

Also, I cannot run the backup program manually from the 'Scheduled Tasks' interface.



Why not? See topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35 about how to set up Task Scheduler.
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David Morton
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Posted - 19 September 2002 :  22:56:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please note that I originally set up the Task Scheduler as per topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35. As stated nothing happens (no error message and no action).

I also tested the procedure (again) using Start\Run ... it worked. But when I cut and pasted the same command line into the Task Scheduler it did not work!!

What is going on? Where am I going wrong?

Still in frustration city!!
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Ahto/Moon Software
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Estonia
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Posted - 20 September 2002 :  03:39:48  Show Profile  Visit Ahto/Moon Software's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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I also tested the procedure (again) using Start\Run ... it worked. But when I cut and pasted the same command line into the Task Scheduler it did not work!!



On XP/2000 you will need also to provide user name in "Run as" box in task Properties window, then you will be prompted for password as well. Then the task will execute under specified user account. The task did not probably run manually because you had specified wrong password/account.

One more thing about scheduling GUI version of BM. When you specify Run as account and this user has logged in at the time the task runs, it will be run interactively, i.e. you'll see Backup Magic window. But if there another user logged in, the task will run invisible! That also means if the program has to ask for user input (like continue with backup prompt), the user will not see this and the program may stop working because it can't continue until user has provided feedback. That means it is strongly advised you to schedule bmagicc.exe console module, not bmagic.exe GUI verison. The console module is designed to run on the background and it will not interact with the user (see log file if it worked or not).

P.S. I also updated the topic that has instructions on how to set up a scheduled task. The informaiton provided was Win9x specific.

Ahto
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David Morton
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Posted - 20 September 2002 :  19:59:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I carefully followed your instructions (topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35) and it worked.

The key to the process appears to be the 'password' procedure. I had not set up a password for my system as I am the only user of this computer. Without the Windows XP system password, the 'topic' procedure will not work - you must have established a password prior to attempting the Backup Magic 'Scheduled Task'(as per 'Start\Help and Support').

Thank you very much for your support - your instructions were an invaluable aid to my resolution of the problem. However, I would suggest that you amend the above 'topic' to include the necessity of creating a password for the system - evan if the circumstances do not otherwise require a password.

Again, my thanks.
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Ahto/Moon Software
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Estonia
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Posted - 21 September 2002 :  05:23:04  Show Profile  Visit Ahto/Moon Software's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:

The key to the process appears to be the 'password' procedure. I had not set up a password for my system as I am the only user of this computer. Without the Windows XP system password, the 'topic' procedure will not work - you must have established a password prior to attempting the Backup Magic 'Scheduled Task'(as per 'Start\Help and Support').


David,

I may be wrong but I think one can't set up a Windows XP installation without creating an user account during setup. By default it creates account named "administrator" and ask a password for it. If the operating system was preinstalled when you got your PC, then this task may be already completed in factory (and the password is mentioned somewhere in the documentation).

You can see what user accounts are in your computer through

Start Menu | Programs | Administrative Tools | Computer Management | Local Users and Groups


The simplified User Accounts applet in Control Panel only displays simplified users view.


Ahto
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David Morton
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Posted - 25 September 2002 :  12:26:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually my experience with Windows XP is somewhat limited, but in the installation on the two systems that I have carried out, there was no requirement for the establishment of a password.

The default installation created an account in the name of the owner but the establishment of a password was an option and not a necessity.

Please note that the systems were not brand name computers with pre-installed software, but professionally assembled PCs provided by a computer specialist.

Again my thanks for your assistance in this matter.
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Ahto/Moon Software
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Estonia
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Posted - 29 April 2003 :  14:24:57  Show Profile  Visit Ahto/Moon Software's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This seems to be issue of Task Scheduler - your task will not run if it has no password. See Microsoft KB article:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;311119

Possible workaround here: topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=140

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fly2279
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Posted - 29 July 2003 :  06:21:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If anyone is like me you may not want to be required to input a password every time you log onto windows just you can have the luxury of running Bmagic at it's scheduled time. Instead of creating a password you could do as suggested before and use the 'administrator' account and password under the 'run as' in the scheduler. No messy passwords when you log on but the backup still happens.
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nkyadav
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Posted - 29 July 2003 :  11:44:08  Show Profile  Visit nkyadav's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ahto@moonsoftware


David,

I may be wrong but I think one can't set up a Windows XP installation without creating an user account during setup. By default it creates account named "administrator" and ask a password for it. If the operating system was preinstalled when you got your PC, then this task may be already completed in factory (and the password is mentioned somewhere in the documentation).


Actually, Ahto, with XP you are asked to designate an administrator password, and then you are asked to input you username. The password for the "user" account is optional.

On every XP install I have created that admin account with a good pw, and then created the user account, logged out of user and into admin, and then deleted the user account - I prefer to log into my computer as admin directly - and I prefer having to enter a password every time.
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